Topic: 2000 Points for a Tournament

[The Chosen of Sigmar]

Please mark your comments on the list I think of fielding in a coming tournament.

• 325p - Arch Lector on War Altar
                 Sword of Sigismund
                 Armour of Meteoric Iron
                 van Horstman's Speculum
• 130p - Battle Wizard (level 2)
                 Orb of Thunder
• 125p - Battle Wizard (level 2)
                 Dispel Scroll
• 127p - Master Engineer on Clockwork Horse
                 Repeater Pistol, Light Armour, Pigeon Bombs
•   80p - 10 Handgunners
• 145p - 20 Swordsmen with Full Command
                 40p - 5 Crossbowmen detachment
                 40p - 5 Crossbowmen detachment
• 150p - 15 Flagellants
• 100p - 10 Huntsmen
• 114p - 5 Pistoliers
                 Marksmen with repeater pistol, musician
• 113p - 5 Outriders
                 Musician
• 100p - Great Canon
• 110p - Helblaster Volley Gun
• 300p - Imperial Steam Tank

1999 pts
89 models, 6 power dice, 6 dispel dice

The Arch Lector and the Steam Tank are able direct enemy as they are not the favorite opponents of most players. With Huntsmen and Pistoliers I might be able to march block my opponent so my shooting can really softem them up. I'm going to try the engineer: he can keep the canon from misfiring and when not using his re-roll the pigeons may do some damage. Further more he can do a stand & shoot when the warmachine gets charged or even charge light skirmishing units that threaten the canon...

I've got one alternative in my head where I dismount the engineer and give him a hochland long rifle in stead of the bombs and the pistol. I can then add a marksman with a hochland to the handgunners and some swordsmen to complete the 2000 points.

Your thoughts are welcome...

[Soulcaresser]

A well known list. Except the Engineer on horse is a good fluffy one. I am curious how that one works!
You could even countercharge with him out of the unit against some flyer's.
So a nice choice. As fore the rest off the list it is good and solid against the armies.

[Huntsmen]

The Engineer would work better with the Hellblaster where you can use his better BS. The Swordsmen should also be 25 strong. The Sword of Sigismund is not that useful on the Arch Lector as he should be charging most of the time and will be better of with the Sword of Fate to deal with nasties. Plus he will have a opponents I with VHS.

[The newbie]

however if the lector is charged then even in a challenge it would be better for him to strike first and it allows him to actually have a decent chance to kill things outside of a challenge.

[Huntsmen]

With 2str 5 attacks? The Lector is a support unit that is best kitted up to deal with characters. He wins via overkill or soulfire and cleansing flare to death.

[Soulcaresser]

To pity you dont have points left to give youre two wizards some more items to boost the magic fase a little bit more.

[The Chosen of Sigmar]

OK, I did one change to the original list. Yesterday I attended the Dutch Ranking Tournament of Roermond and WON it  ...
Here's the final list.

• 320p - Arch Lector on War Altar
                 Sword of Fate
                 Armour of Meteoric Iron
                 van Horstman's Speculum
• 130p - Battle Wizard (level 2)
                 Orb of Thunder
• 125p - Battle Wizard (level 2)
                 Dispel Scroll
• 127p - Master Engineer on Clockwork Horse
                 Repeater Pistol, Light Armour, Pigeon Bombs
•   80p - 10 Handgunners
• 151p - 21 Swordsmen with Full Command
                 40p - 5 Crossbowmen detachment
                 40p - 5 Crossbowmen detachment
• 150p - 15 Flagellants
• 100p - 10 Huntsmen
• 114p - 5 Pistoliers
                 Marksmen with repeater pistol, musician
• 113p - 5 Outriders
                 Musician
• 100p - Great Canon
• 110p - Helblaster Volley Gun
• 300p - Imperial Steam Tank

2000 pts
90 models, 6 power dice, 6 dispel dice

In three rounds I faced:

• Lizardmen including an Engine of the Gods and a Oldblood on Carnosaur -> Massacre
• Daemons of Chaos including a Bloodthirster, 3 units of Flesh Hounds and a large block of plague bearers with Herald of Nurgle BSB -> Crushing Victory
• Dark Elves including a Lord on Dragon and 2 Hydra's -> Crushing Victory

Note: a crushing victory is a small massacre. This a result added in the Ranking Tournaments to create a difference between normal and  really big massacres (+1850 points of difference)

[Swan-of-War]

Congratulations!!!
Now buy a round for the house! 

[Folken]

Huzzah! 

[Huntsmen]

Congrats!!! And that was with a Engineer! 

[The Chosen of Sigmar]

Actually, it is quiet explanable:

The Archlector, War Altar and 2 level 2's give you a more than solid magic offense and defense...
The flagellants, the steam tank and again the Archlector on War Altar are unbreakable fighting units...
The engineer maximizes the great canon's survivability with his reroll. The helblaster is always a warmachine to be taken into account...
but if you make the account of all the rest of troops you get about 60 shots a turn...

In other words: I've succeeded in maximizing my possibilities in ALL phases. And for me that's the only way an Empire army can set its foot next to the more powerfull armies in this game...

[The Chosen of Sigmar]

I wrote a little tournament report on Roermond 2009 verslag. Enjoy the reading...

PS: I know the font is a little bit difficult to read but we are looking for another classic looking font to replace it...

[Huntsmen]

Or you could drop the Engineer for a second Cannon

[iatroblast]

That would be great in my opinion!..
..On the other hand, I like the idea of fielding such a 'bookworm' as an engineer in your army

Anyway, Congrats!

[The Chosen of Sigmar]

Or you could drop the Engineer for a second Cannon

OK, you could do that and in the past I did that too. But take this into account... In most battles I rolled 2 to 3 misfires with the canon but never 2 after each other. With two canons this could mean that you loose 200 victory points and that you cannot shoot 2 guns most of the time. Now I shoot every turn because of the re-roll and I keep my canon from exploding. That and taking into account that you can go and crew an abandond war machine in the last turn (again no victory points for the opponent) makes him an excellent choice. And what fluffier way than winning a tournament then with pigeon bombs? 
Long live a master engineer!

[Sejestephan]

How come the battle report says you used 2 stanks when your list says otherwise?

[The Chosen of Sigmar]

Actually there are two tournament days and each day counts a tournament. On saturday I used the list Sigmar's Hammer (a link you'll find in the report). On sunday I used the Sigmar's Fury list as shown on this site. On sunday I won the tournament, on saturday I ended 15th.

[Sejestephan]

Actually there are two tournament days and each day counts a tournament. On saturday I used the list Sigmar's Hammer (a link you'll find in the report). On sunday I used the Sigmar's Fury list as shown on this site. On sunday I won the tournament, on saturday I ended 15th.

Those sounds like dutch rules to me 
Anyway grats with the win, apart from the random mechanical steed riding engineer the list looks good

[Huntsmen]

You cannot even begin to argue that one Cannon with a Engineer is better than 2 without him. Misfires adside you should only suffer 1 for each Cannon a game, not a wise advestment in my books. And in a competitive environment with so many big nastys you really need that extra shot to take them out no to mention another hero slot for a Wizard or BSB.

[The newbie]

I second huntsmen. Also:

two cannons allows two vantage points - reducing the places for a target to hide

two cannons reap a greater chance to hit the target - sure you reroll the first dice...but the ball can still get stuck in the mud.

two cannons can target different things - e.g. double hydra/double engine/double stank lists

By having an engineer IF the cannon explodes you have lost 145 (minimum) and he takes up a valuable hero slot that could be taken by a warrior priest/wizard.