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I undertook to write this tutorial for a couple of reasons… First, I dislike the current Kislevite range by GW. I find the figures awkward, bulky, cumbersome, uni-pose and just plain uninspiring.  :icon_evil: Second, I like working with plastics and creating new projects for myself. Third, I do not want to depend on the availability of figures and bits from GW. It is so much more fun to make by yourself what has only been available commercially previously. Gives you a sense of freedom and possibilities…   :engel:

Anyway, ‘ere we go…

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Everything is pretty straightforward here. Plastic shields you see were made from Plastruct plasticard (If you look at the workshop section of my website, you will find the exact product number you can use. Thickness is the same as banners). Two of the shields were left flat, and two were cut out of the piece of plastic I curved using a heat gun. The idea is the same as described in my banner-making article, except that you use a heat gun instead of a stove as the source of the heat.

The shields were inspired by various eastern European 16th century shields, such as this Hungarian beauty from the Metropolitan Museum in New York:



The flat shields had a semi-convex piece of Plastruct plastic glued in the middle to create a central ridge.  Here is a close-up:



The swords were cut out of plastic strips (Plastruct again!) with curved scissors. Tangs were cut out with an X-Acto knife, to be inserted into the hand.  A wire-thin piece of plastic was glued to the center of the blade to simulate the fuller ridge:



Wire was used to create guards and quillons for the sabers.  I hate the current crude Kislevite scimitars. I wanted to reproduce something more sophisticated, so opted for some Polish and Hungarian Karabela sabers, aiming for something like this:



Another close-up:



The handguards were glued to the plastic saber with ordinary superglue. Additionally, the ends of the quillons were given a drop of superglue as well – both to hold them well together, and give them nice, rounded quillon-like endings. The center ridge can also be achieved by gluing a thin piece of metal wire in the center – the effect will be the same, and the metal wire may actually strengthen the plastic blade. I just happen to like plastic.

At this point I had to worry about the important part – reproducing a Kislevite head.  After a quick scan of the net, I had an idea of what I wanted:



A Catachan head was used for this purpose. The top was stripped/sliced off and a piece of plastic was glued, with the top roughly rounded up with a hobby knife. A very thin strip of plastic was heat-curved and glued around the brim, to represent the fur flaps:



I know, I know,… not much to look at – so far! Here comes the fun part. I wanted fur. I wanted to avoid working with the green stuff, because I am not particularly good at it. And then I realized that the SAME EXACT EFFECT – fur texture - can be achieved with SAND! Here are the results:



The plastic brim was painted with Elmer’s white glue and the head was dipped into a sand container.  It looked a bit rough at this point, so I knocked off excess glue, added drops of glue where there were gaps, and added more sand to those areas… and it became a lot more presentable. At this point, I glued the same thin plastic wire (see sword-making above) to a thin piece of plastic cut to look like a feather, heat-curved everything, and glued the resulting “feather” to the front of the head:



At this point, the next big challenge was the feathered wings, used by the Kislevites. Well, I decided to boldly go… Again, curved scissors were used to cut out the general shape, which I had previously traced with a Sharpie marker around the actual wing:



I went over the edges with a small file, applied some plastic glue to melt the rough spots a bit, and the general shape was ready. Since I had no way (so far I haven’t come up with anything satisfactory) to reproduce the feather pattern like you see on the original wing casting, I decided I will simply paint it on during he painting stage.

Time to put everything together… This is where the real fun begins!  :icon_twisted:







Wings glued on here:







And, finally, the big one – time to prime! When the new creation consists of such different parts, I anticipate the priming stage with some trepidation, as the primer will unify the previously disparate parts and move the project closer to what my imagination depicted originally.

Kislevite Winged Dragoon primed:







I think he looks dandy! Rough, dashing, and violent, much like his Polish-Hungarian historical counterparts. I am really looking forward to painting him! And his shield will be a nice testing field for those Kislevite decals I am planning to design.

Another, older more experienced warrior just off the modeling table…



To be continued (hopefully) with more models and painting…

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OMG! you make it look so easy. cant wait to see them painted up. steveb

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such as this Hungarian beauty from the Metropolitan Museum in New York:

Everybody  heard it? Our shields rule! :icon_twisted: :icon_lol:
Your job, imperialforge, is, as usual, brilliant :eusa_clap:
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Wow!  :Ohmy: Cease this amazing, or I shall have you thrown in jail for public harassment!

Brilliant!

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While I do not usually have the same taste in minis as you seem to do (minus the excellent transfers I bought from you), and I do like the GW Kislevites, there is no denying the great conversions here. Very well done and looking at your painting skills, I suspect these will be very slick when painted up.  :happy:
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A most excellent workshop. I wish everyone made articles like this! Can't wait to see a unit of these bad boys fully painted.

As a sidenote, are you not scared of the guy's furhat starting dripping all over? :D

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To have half your talents!!!

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Love the swords - I wish I'd seen this when I kitbashed some myself 4 years ago - I used the Mordheim scimitars for mine.

I can't wait to see the Kislev decals too ............
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Well dang it somebody beat me too it.  I'm even making the wings similar to your, though I touched them up with green stuff and I'm toying with the idea of making a mold for them to crank them out quicker.

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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2008, 07:44:04 AM »
Great stuff!

I wonder how you did the excellent plasticard work, did you use a Dremel?
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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2008, 08:38:19 AM »
I wonder how you did the excellent plasticard work, did you use a Dremel?

Erm...no, just curved scissors and a heat gun to curve plastic. Looking at the conversions I am even puzzled by the question: what would I use Dremel for?

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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2008, 08:45:50 AM »
I thought he was talking about the 'feathers' but... who knows.

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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2008, 08:54:48 AM »
Did you hear that? That was the sound of my jaw hitting the floor!  :eusa_clap:  :eusa_clap:  :eusa_clap:

The other sound was not an echo, that was my jaw....
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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2008, 12:50:18 PM »
They look excellent, but... those poses. The large shields and sleek sabres don't mix very well with flailing arms. Also the arms look a bit nekkid and could use some mail, not sure if you want them like that.
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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2008, 01:25:41 PM »


such as this Hungarian beauty from the Metropolitan Museum in New York:

Everybody  heard it? Our shields rule! :icon_twisted: :icon_lol:


something more sophisticated, so opted for some Polish and Hungarian Karabela sabers,

And our sabers (I'm from Poland) :icon_biggrin:

Imperial forge, your project is great... Head and sabres are just... well... I lack words!
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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2008, 05:40:15 PM »
Just a question: Whose legs are those?
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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2008, 07:32:45 PM »
Just a question: Whose legs are those?

They are from the Kislevite winged lancers. Ordered them separately.

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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2008, 12:26:00 PM »
So.... are you gonna fix the arm-flailing? :ph34r:
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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2008, 07:02:11 PM »
I see no need to - I don't see it that way.

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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2008, 07:43:49 PM »
I dunno what I like more... the swords or the poses. Excellent work! I think I will steal the pose ofthe second mate for a champion or something like that.
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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2008, 11:16:33 AM »
Curses! Guess I'm gonna have to shamelessly steal your idea just to make my own poses. :icon_sad:
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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2008, 04:13:57 PM »
hello Imperial forge, have you ever tried making fur in plastic with a hot needle, its like a wood burning kit only needle sized.  You can build one with a cork and sewing needle heating it with a candle. its a lot like working with GS except for the smell.  btw I really liked the new imperial decals, I hope the kislev ones are just as good.  keep up the good work, steveb

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Re: Kit-bashing and scratch-building my own Kislevite Winged Dragoons photoblog
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2008, 03:33:26 AM »
Goddamn those things are beautiful.
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Very nice models. How is it going until know?