Topic: Detachment leadership question

[Ratarsed]

Does a detachment benefit from the higher leadership of the general if its parent unit is within 12" of the general but the detachment is not?
The detachment rules say a detachment in close support may use the leadership of the parent unit, but does this strech as far as bouncing the generals leadership beyond the 12" range or does it refer to the unmodified leadership of the unit itself?

Ratarsed

[dWhisper]

Nope. In most respects, the detachment is a separate unit, and is not affected by things that affect the parent unit's leadership. The general's leadership is not a modifier to the unit's leadership, it's used in place of. The same holds true for the BSB, as well.

[SpiderPig]

p39 of the NEB top para.

I think this means yes you can.  If the Parent is within 12" of the General it's Ld is 9 (or 8).  There are many examples in army books where tests are required specifically at base Ld.  The rule does not specify base Ld therefore IMO it means their current ie. 8 or 9 Ld off the big man himself.

[mlepkows]

This question is answered through answering another one:
Does "uses" (as in "unit within 12" from general uses his leadership") mean "has" (as in "the unit has now Ld 9")?
I think not, therefore general's Ld doesn't transfer to the detachment.

Maciek

[Shadowlord]

They are still a seperate unit, and do not benefit from anything other than their special defend/attack rule and leadership from the parent unit: Unmodified (except for a character in that unit). The way of WFB.

http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=17488.0

[Michael W]

I went to argue against it and yet here I am, arguing that it's correct, detachment's don't get the General's Ld if they're not in range.

NEB, pg. 39:  Detachment uses Ld of parent unit if within 3".

BRB, pg. 49:  "...if a unit of troops is joined by a character (or any other model with a better Ld), the unit uses the highest Leadership value available."

BRB, pg. 82:  "All friendly units within 12" of the General model always use the General's Leadership value instead of their own when making any Leadership-based test (unless their own Leadership is higher, of course).

Using a parent unit's Ld is not a test for the parent unit, so the General's Ld never comes into play.  Characters in units, fortunately, still do.

[McKnight]

http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=17488.0

[Ratarsed]

Thanks for the answers.

Now it has been pointed out that a unit within 12" of the general uses the generals leadership and does not have it's own leadership modified the answer now seems obvious.

No to detachments outside 12" radius using the generals leadership. Yes to detachments within 3" of parent unit getting the benfits of any additional leadership a character joining the unit may grant.

Ratarsed