Author Topic: Gav Thorpe - regarding DoW and the Empire/O&G ommission (Read 20161 times)

Jon23516 · « **on:** March 22, 2007, 09:36:38 PM »

As I'm from the US I don't visit the UK-GW website often. But as Midaski et al were discussing there whereabouts of a certain "mordheim wizard" model in another thread I started clicking around the UK GW site myself.

I happened across the following text from the Dogs of War intro page:

Quote

Note on DoW from Gav Thorpe.
There's a variety of reasons for removing the reference to DOW in the forthcoming army books, and these are the main ones:
1. The rules detailing how to include DOW in an army are included in the DOW list/ articles. Therefore if you have access to those rules you have access to how they can be added to your army.
2. We may wish to revise the way DOW work in the future, and while we continue to perpetuate the current rules for them in the army books this will be very difficult to do. Our intent is that the DOW rules, should we produce a proper supplement, will be entirely self-contained and require no references in the army books.
Neither of these are intended as a signal that we are never going to do/ immediately going to do (delete as appropriate) a Dogs of War supplement. They are simply a sort of house-cleaning procedure that leaves us clear to evaluate and pursue the correct course of action regarding Dogs of War in the future.

This is clearly what we've come to understand "pending a FAQ" but I thought I'd mention it here.

Jon

Rufas the Eccentric · « **Reply #1 on:** March 22, 2007, 11:14:16 PM »

I think most people understand this, but there will always be a few, incuding the the US GT organizers who did not get the message. But it is nice to have the exact quote to shove down the neanderthals throats. Can you add the exact link?

ProFF7 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2007, 12:55:26 AM »

yeah, can you give us the exact link?

i want to print that page, and paste it to the rear of my army book, or something similar

mwalsh867 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2007, 12:39:33 PM »

Thank God. Can we have this thread stickied with giant flashing lights around? This topic is a weekly discussion

-Matt

Albrecht Hexenjaeger · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2007, 12:47:23 PM »

Huzzah!

patsy02 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2007, 02:35:11 PM »

Good sir, you forgot two huzzah's!
Huzzah!
Huzzah!
*fires pistol at the sky*

Powder Monkey · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2007, 02:52:37 PM »

People, you can't take DOW anymore! I don't believe people are still trying to use them! They aren't listed in the rare section, so everybody trying to field them when playing me will have me slapping him on the ear, earnestly!

And I will tell my mom...

Just kidding!

Taladryel · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2007, 03:04:29 PM »

Methinks it's monkey season again...Jeeves, fetch me my blunderbuss!

Powder Monkey · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2007, 03:14:30 PM »

*disappears into hidden jungle lair, making simian sounds and leaving a trail of banana skins*

lemercenaire · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2007, 04:34:08 PM »

Lets burn the jungle then!

Now we only need to know if we can join non-DoW char. with DoW units

Ah...I don't want to start on this anymore

Jon23516 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2007, 04:52:53 PM »

Quote from: Rufas the Eccentric on March 22, 2007, 11:14:16 PM

I think most people understand this, but there will always be a few, incuding the the US GT organizers who did not get the message. But it is nice to have the exact quote to shove down the neanderthals throats. Can you add the exact link?

The exact link:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301082&orignav=13

The 'splash' page for Online Store -> Warhammer -> Dogs of War

Jon

Taladryel · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2007, 05:24:29 PM »

Lemercenaire - Gav already answered your question:

Quote

1. The rules detailing how to include DOW in an army are included in the DOW list/ articles. Therefore if you have access to those rules you have access to how they can be added to your army.

What Gav is saying - all the 6th Edition rules, rulings, etc., still apply until we decide to change them. So if you have access to the DoW FAQ (even if it does date to back in 6th Edition), which you should, since I linked it and since Direwolf has it, the answer is in plain sight. I.e., according to GW (in the person of Anthony Reynolds), no mixing non-DoW characters with DoW units (except, perhaps, amorously in the case of certain races).

Xintao · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2007, 05:49:46 PM »

While were talking about DOW, I have the DOW Army Book. Has that been updated or is that the same lists in the downloadable PDF's? Thanks. Good find btw.

Siamtiger · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2007, 06:36:19 PM »

Okay Gave, no one wants to get hurt, just drop the book and step away from it - now.

lemercenaire · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2007, 06:43:32 PM »

Quote from: Taladryel on March 23, 2007, 05:24:29 PM

Lemercenaire - Gav already answered your question:

Quote
1. The rules detailing how to include DOW in an army are included in the DOW list/ articles. Therefore if you have access to those rules you have access to how they can be added to your army.

What Gav is saying - all the 6th Edition rules, rulings, etc., still apply until we decide to change them. So if you have access to the DoW FAQ (even if it does date to back in 6th Edition), which you should, since I linked it and since Direwolf has it, the answer is in plain sight. I.e., according to GW (in the person of Anthony Reynolds), no mixing non-DoW characters with DoW units (except, perhaps, amorously in the case of certain races).

Although it doesn't mention faq. I wish to belive it to be as 6th ed. faq. I DO.

And I already stated in the ''pikemen'' tread that I would stick to this to avoid confusion and the fact that DoW had not change and use the 6thed. faq. was my first idee on this subject(as I stated on that tread too).

I got confused as to say I was 100% right cuz there were no proof of it anymore ,now I don't know if Gav meant to forget to say faq. but I will belive articles and faq. to be the same for him

Doesn't mean to be stubborn but I belive it when I see it black on white(or in blood)

Taladryel · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2007, 07:07:25 PM »

Let me put it to you this way - NO-ONE at GW has stated that you CANNOT use the FAQ. Black and white enough for you?

Xintao - the DoW army book hails to 5th Edition, I believe. As such, it has been replaced by the DoW PDF list, downloadable from GW's website.

lemercenaire · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2007, 07:31:42 PM »

Quote from: Taladryel on March 23, 2007, 07:07:25 PM

Let me put it to you this way - NO-ONE at GW has stated that you CANNOT use the FAQ. Black and white enough for you?

Well...you have a point.

Lets hope it end on these words

Thanks.

Paul Collins · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2007, 01:30:01 AM »

So I can go buy a box of skeletons and field them as the cursed company?

What else do I need to include in my Empire army, if anything, to do this?

Zoring · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2007, 01:48:45 AM »

Wewt!

Taladryel · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2007, 03:06:07 AM »

Since the Cursed Company is still an official troop type in WFB, yes, you can field it. With the disclaimer that a) some tourney organizers may still arbitrarily disallow it (but then, I've seen at least one GT organizer literally rewrite certain rules for his specific tourney - forget limiting army lists!), and b) simply a box of skeletons may not be WYSIWYG enough, IIRC the Cursed Company had an armoured hero leading it, as well as some non-human skeletons in the ranks (Orcs, Skaven, etc.).

Oh and yeah - I think the thing is pretty expensive, points-wise. Kinda like Mengil's Manflayers (also a legal DoW regiment) - great at what they do, but cost at least double what they should.

Paul Collins · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2007, 03:31:17 AM »

I was more concerned with needing a paymaster or a DoW general or similar.

Taladryel · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2007, 05:01:13 AM »

The Cursed Company is a Regiment of the Renown. I forget its exact rules, but they should state "Army X can take as Rare, Army Y can take as Special". In other words, all RoR can be taken by the armies listed in their entry as standalone choices.

The same applies for standalone DoW units, e.g. Pikemen or Halfling Hot Pots being included as Rares (sometimes Specials). Basically, the DoW/RoR rules specify who can take what and in what slot.

DoW characters are only necessary if you're running a pure DoW list (which CANNOT be mixed with any other armies; the Kislev Allies rules are an exception).

jlutin · « **Reply #22 on:** March 24, 2007, 04:15:01 PM »

Quote from: Paul Collins on March 24, 2007, 01:30:01 AM

So I can go buy a box of skeletons and field them as the cursed company?

What else do I need to include in my Empire army, if anything, to do this?

As said above, you probably need to kit bash at least one skellie with an Empire plate and armoured head. Really, if you can get bitz from any human shaped army (elves, brits) you can kit bash a bit to give it the take any skellie aspect of this unit.

tixed · « **Reply #23 on:** March 24, 2007, 09:57:18 PM »

Okay, I start to convert my Spearmen to Pikemen. I've just played them today as Pikemen, and they did extremely well (comparing with Spearmen - ultra-well!). Joining units... mmm... yummy. WP and pikes. Worth try!

HoS · « **Reply #24 on:** March 24, 2007, 10:16:30 PM »

Honestly, I wouldn't put a WP in pikes, just to avoid the contreversy, and it seems to me that GW didn't mean for that to happen. YOu can if you want, but most people will argue with you if it comes up.

News:

Author Topic: Gav Thorpe - regarding DoW and the Empire/O&G ommission (Read 20161 times)